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They'll get rid of the traffic. but in this case they didn't. and so that's where the problem lies. >> usually it's a domino effect right, mary? because usually it's not just one thing that happens. it's a confluence of different things that happen to cause an air disaster. >> well i agree. and i was suspicious about that because so many things can happen. if he was going ahead and climbing after air traffic control said no you would assume that you had traffic above you. and then that would set off another chain reaction. that would set off your collision avoidance system, and that would do t...

Last being the pilot's ability to recover. >> mary, that's why a lot of people at home would be wondering, look we understand there was a lot of air traffic through there, other planes were able to get through this horrific weather, these terrible thunderstorms just fine but because maybe of this swiss cheese idea all of those factors didn't likene up for those other planes? >> that's exactly right. in every air crash i've worked on it's always been a combination of factors. it's almost never just one thing and when it is weather often what you have is something with the plane, some kind of a ...