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Is insane to me. but once again, the former president is saying the quiet part out loud, whether it was that mike pence was responsible for not overturning the election, to why can't read raffensperger find 11,000 votes, time and time again he tells us exactly what he wants and what he is thinking. and i think he crossed the line. >> yeah. i want to play this because i thought it was interesting. this is a lawyer for one of the people who was charged in the capitol riot talking about what this might do to a calculation about cooperation. take a listen. >> knowing that that is awaiting you at t...

Want to play this because i thought it was interesting. this is a lawyer for one of the people who was charged in the capitol riot talking about what this might do to a calculation about cooperation. take a listen. >> knowing that that is awaiting you at the end, regardless of the risk you might take, moving forward with the litigation, absolutely it would impact not only the attorney perspective but also the client also. >> so, less likely to cooperate, potentially? >> far less likely to cooperate and probably more likely to proceed to a trial. >> you wonder whether that is having a tangible ...

From an attorney perspective, i suspect there's a little bit of indigestion. >> legal experts say there's a high bar for prosecution by the special counsel. obstruction requires intent and the president reportedly telling comey to let go of former national skid advisor michael flynn bosch vasquez may not meet the standard. >> there's best difference between saying this is conduct that shouldn't of happened or wasn't in the best interest of the united states and saying a federal crime was 20. a big difference. >> and another sign, the fbi probe is expanding, british media reporting that the u.k...

From an attorney perspective, i suspect there's a little bit of indigestion. >> legal experts say there's a high bar for prosecution by the special counsel. obstruction requires intent and the president reportedly telling comey to let go of former national skid advisor michael flynn bosch vasquez may not meet the standard. >> there's best difference between saying this is conduct that shouldn't of happened or wasn't in the best interest of the united states and saying a federal crime was 20. a big difference. >> and another sign, the fbi probe is expanding, british media reporting that the u.k...

Landing spot, yes. >> i want to bring in nbc legal analyst and defense attorney karen desoto. critics are really pushing back on this. from an attorney perspective, do you find this woman credible? >> it's interesting because this interview is different than the other interview. in the other interview, she didn't mention kissing. n nonow she's mentioning kissing. the american citizens who are watching the videos, i'm an attorney so i let juries make that decision. when you hear the two tapes together, one of the things people, not just attorneys and jurors look for, is inconsistency and whethe...