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Without any kind of replacement such an auto enrollment that i and bill cassidy suggested earlier this year and put it into a very complex tax bill does not make sense. >> that's critical because if you lose collins, it's likely your bill is in trouble. cnbc reports the senate gop leadership wants to approve this bill after thanksgiving. but with no margeren for error the latest attempt at a signature legislative accomplishment is once again on thin ice. another break for us now. and coming up, he sees himself as a kind of scholar war consider, sticking up for the fraughten man. the most rec...

A policy perspective. health care is such a complex issue, and to pull one section out of the affordable care act without any kind of replacement such as an auto enrollment, bill cassidy suggested earlier this year, and put it into a very complex tax bill does not make sense. >> what do you say you heard senator kennedy's -- i don't know if you heard senator kennedy's argument. his argument, in his state 80% of the folks pay the fine. middle to lower income, and it's -- might at well serve as a tax break for them. what do you say to that? >> well, that's true in my state as well. 80% of those ...

He had 13 people behind closed doors. the president hasn't called anyone. nancy pelosi or chuck schumer. they've been interested. i do think one area we might have overlap is what i've been calling auto enrollment where people get auto enrolled into a particular program that the subsidy covers it. it sounds like there is some republican interest. senator cassidy and more conservative think-tank policy experts are interested. that's an area where we could have overlap and go to what marc is suggesting. some way of getting more young people, more healthy people into the insurance game and beginn...

People who will choose not to have insurance. i think you could diminish that number gravely if you had a system where people were automatically enrolled and you had to opt out. >> i love this idea of automatic enrollment. why is there no -- i guess, why is there no critical mass on this in your party? >> well, people are now finally starting to look at that idea and we've had a couple of scholars who have written papers on how you might do auto enrollment. so i think it was a new idea. but i do believe that it's starting to get attention. >> let me ask you one other idea. are we to the point ...

So i think auto enrollment might be a better way to proceed. >> with obamacare, there was public debate, committee debate. there really hasn't been the opportunity for elected leaders on the house side, certainly on the senate side, to have that public debate. why do you think that is? >> clearly, thomas, the process here has been less than ideal. it's really hard to defend that process. i am not concerned they had meetings to hash out just what they want to put in the bill, and that was probably less public than maybe it ought to have been. that doesn't trouble me so much. but once the bill b...