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Month. his attorney say he felt he had to delay that appearance after receiving threats from president trump and rudy giuliani. the president's private attorney. this is what the president had to say after cohen first canceled that original public testimony before the house. >> i would say he's been threatened by the truth. he's only threatened by the truth. he doesn't want to do that probably for me or other of his clients. >> all right. joining me right now, avery freeman, civil rights attorney and law professor. and criminal defense attorney richard herman. good to see you both. richard, yo...

I don't know. >> it is all going to be off the table. it will be minimal and we won't get much out of it either way. >> avery, before cohen even testifies before the senate intel committee, i mean intimidating the witness, i mean this is a pretty serious matter that michael cohen is alleging. but there is video tape, right? i mean you hear rudy giuliani, you know, who is talking about his father-in-law, you hear the president, too, saying that's who you need to go after, so does he have a point? >> and his wife, too. and his wife, too. >> and his wife. >> you know what? that's why -- >> they w...

He is being subpoenaed, he said that would be a problem to just not show up, but the concern remains the same, right, for michael cohen? whether it is going to be a public venue of testimony or whether it is private. i mean that hasn't removed his concerns. so then does that mean that might curtail what kind of information he's willing to be forthcoming about? >> fred, unless avery has had conversations with his attorney, his attorney has said pointblank his testimony will be limited. you're not going to get much out of it. he's going to be testifying to anecdotes about his relationship with t...

Challenges. the american federation of government employees union filed a lawsuit against the white house. it claims the shutdown is violating the fair labor standards act. by illegally forcing more than 400,000 employees to work without pay. last hour, i was joined by the lead attorney representing federal employees. she says this case is eerily similar to one from a shutdown in 2013. >> the legal issues in the 2013 case and this case are identical. the government filed a motion to dismiss in 2013 and the judge ruled in our favor, determining that the government, in fact, violated the fair la...

Behind closed doors. saying comey will only testify in the hearing is public. in an apparent parting shot. the house judiciary committee sent subpoenas to comey and former attorney general loretta lyn lynch. avery freeman joining us. and richard herman joining us from new orleans. good to see you both. happy thanksgiving weekend. richard, you first, so comey sent this tweet in a response to the subpoena, quote, i'm still happy to sit in the light and answer all questions but i will resist a closed door thing because i've seen enough of their selective leaking and distorti distortion. let's hav...