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He wants to testify. >> no, he doesn't. >> whether his lawyers -- >> yes, he does. >> how do we know? does he really want to? it is like talking both sides of your mouth. you know what i mean? i really want to, wink, wink, nod, i really can't, and how does anybody know which it is? >> right, fred. >> it is going to be more than what it is right now. it is going to be more than what we know right now. so whether mueller wants to limit that testimony, whether lanny davis wants to limit that testimony, it doesn't matter, it is going to be something that is coming out even before the house, even b...

What should he and you expect? >> it will be private. and it will be to the public. house representatives will be subpoenaing him. that will be public. he has to testify. the allegations he's being threatened orsands getting robb fred. >> of course you had to get that in there. >> i had to get that in. because nobody can believe it. but, he is going to testify. >> your home away from home. your second home away from home. new york. >> right. >> new orleans. >> right. >> but his lawyers already said, fred, there is not going to be anything, he will be limited to what he can testify to. you will...

It is open season on him if he testifies. his credibility is at issue. >> and he's not going to say anything, fred. >> we'll see. >> all right. >> we will leave it there for now. we shall see. richard avery, good to see you guys, thank you so much. >> saints got robbed, fred. >> i knew that was coming. i knew you would get another one in there. so much more right after the break. but first, here is a sneak peek at the cnn original film "three identical strangers." when i tell people my story, they don't believe it. but it's true. >> i've always thought, what would it be like if you turned ...

He is being subpoenaed, he said that would be a problem to just not show up, but the concern remains the same, right, for michael cohen? whether it is going to be a public venue of testimony or whether it is private. i mean that hasn't removed his concerns. so then does that mean that might curtail what kind of information he's willing to be forthcoming about? >> fred, unless avery has had conversations with his attorney, his attorney has said pointblank his testimony will be limited. you're not going to get much out of it. he's going to be testifying to anecdotes about his relationship with t...