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The law. not even the president. congress must make clear to the president that firing it is special counsel or interfering with his investigation by issuing pardons of essential witnesses is unacceptable and would have immediate and significant consequences. >> immediately after that speech, white house lawyer ty cobb put out a statement saying, in part, for five months or more, the white house has persistently and emphatically stated there is no consideration of firing the special counsel and the white house willingly affirms, yet again, as it has every day this week, there is no considerati...

Say yes. but then he's also being underserved perhaps by others who said we do think you're qualified, it doesn't matter that you haven't, you know, argued in civil, you know, or bench or criminal cases. >> don mcgann, the white house counsel, is who. that's the answer. >> no, he never -- fred, he never did a trial! he never did a small claims court trial. >> even we heard senator kennedy say no depositions, i mean, independently -- >> not one deposition did he handle on his own, fred. come on, he didn't know a motion in limine. a first year law student, a parallel, it's on every bar exam. how...

Federal trial court in texas but the team found comments where he disparaged transgender children, fred. >> laura jarrett, thank you. let's bring in our legal guys. avery freeman, a civil rights attorney and richard friedman, a criminal defense attorney. good to see you both. happy hanukkah, happy holiday. >> you too. >> you first, avery, this gentleman nominated for a lifetime appointment. the questions that mr. kennedy was asking about his knowledge or experience of, you know, different various types of trial, you know, attorney work or even awareness of motions. is that typical that an atto...

Avery freeman, richard, great to see you. i am grateful to see you this thanksgiving holiday. >> grateful to see you, fred. so much more straight ahead in the newsroom. first in this week's new episode of parts unknown, the heel of the boot draws anthony bourdain back in time as he visits the barely untouched landscapes and colorful locals of southern italy. >> despite its uncanny beauty, this is some of the least populated, least visited, least known parts of the country. a mix of sea, hills, valleys and rich earth. the food here is italian but

All right, welcome back. now that we have learned that michael flynn's lawyers have stopped talking with the president's lawyers about the russia investigation, there is growing speculation that the former national security adviser is playing let's make a deal with the special investigator robert mummer's team. such a move could have major political and legal ramifications. joining me right now to discuss, possible legal impacts of flynn, potentially flynn flipping, avery freeman, civil rights attorney and law professor in cleveland and richard herman, a new york criminal defense attorney and ...