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And now here is the cia director mike pompeo on "face the nation". >> the notion that president trump is a threat to american national security is ludicrous. the idea that's contained in the "new york times" story that president trump was a threat to american national security is silly on its face and not worthy of a response. >> i'm sorry. former cia director and current secretary of state mike pompeo. what would you make of it if a client or defendant or their representatives were doing these things rather than saying i didn't do it. >> if it's my client, i have the world's worst witness tha...

Media is in the business of story telling, which you can debate whether or not that's what it should be. it's story driven coverage. but something like a shutdown is going to produce all over the country, in every local news market in america, these stories of people who are personally suffering because of this shutdown. it's inevitable. the white house cannot avoid it. even fox news is going to be hard pressed to avoid it at a certain point. and it is empirically true there is not a crisis at the border so there's no way to do it. so i wonder in your view how does the media avoid on the one h...

Come up with a strategy that diverts political blame from tru donald trump's lap. they came up with this idea for a national speech. mick mulvaney and others were pushing him to do it. but it's pointless when the president every day is tweeting out a stream of conscious with why he needs his wall. everyone knows what donald trump's position is. >> that's the thing, carole simpson. >> joy, i -- >> go on. i'm sorry. >> i just wanted to respond what george said about the cables should take care of the news and the networks should not have to do that. but i think the latest figures i've seen is th...

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House. even if they impeach donald trump they couldn't remove him. what does the constitution say, if anything, about what can be done if an american people is found to be in the sway of a foreign power? >> well, you're going back to -- and you have already said it, the crux of the problem which is first of all legal scholars debate what the constitution even means on this front. i have my own particular views. but i think what is centrally important to our democracy is democracy. that means it is critically important that we petition our government. it doesn't matter what party we are in. wha...