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It's not one snapshot of one statement or event, but pattern of activity over time. she can talk about that. >> the "new york times" talked to three close sources to corallo, and he did not dispute the report when reaching him whether there was obstruction of justice going on there, but, again, pattern of activity, does that count when you are just talking about lying to the public or "new york times"? >> i think it does, jake. the report says something important, that hope hicks allegedly said that these e-mails about the russia meeting would be destroyed. that is, obstruction of justice. i t...

The door. might that give him pause? the president, in terms of releasing the memo? >> no, i mean, i think the decision's been made. i think the memo's coming out. i don't think that the fbi director is going anywhere. he, obviously, has an obligation to fight for his department, and their view is that it shouldn't come out. the thing is about this, it's not new, right? i mean, the fbi, the doj, and the cia have been at odds. we had a huge fight in 2014 about release in the cia document pertaining to torture. >> right. >> and in the early 2000s during the beginning of the war on terror. that's...

Obstructed justice in the russian investigation. former trump legal team spokesman is expected to be asked about it when interviewed in the next two weeks. cnn previously reported president trump helped craft a misleading explanation for a meeting between donald trump jr. and russian lawyer offering dirt on hillary clinton. the statement claimed the meeting was about russia's adoption policy, though e-mails fromdicted the explanation. the "new york times" cite three people with knowledge of the interview saying he's planning to tell the special counsel that white house communications director,...

Finally, the fact that rather than consulting with the fbi, they really did not give the fbi a chance to respond at all. instead, or review the hmemo an said instead and said they were under investigation by the house intelligence committee. that was a strange thing too. >> the fbi director, christopher wray, rob rosenstein, steven boyd all out publically against the release. do you think if the white house overrules these three individuals, top justice department officials, they should resign? >> the justice department officials resign -- >> or all three? >> well, i mean, they've got to make ...

We're back, sticking with breaking news, the threat of a possible obstruction of justice charge hangs over the white house as the "new york times" reports a former spokesman for president trump's legal team will talk to the special counsel, robert mueller, about a conference call between the president and closest aides, hope hicks, raising concerns hope may have tried to obstruct the investigation in the fall. jim, this all goes back to the trump tower meeting with don jr. and the russians, right? >> that's right. a lot of ininquiry for the counsel. an attempt to possibly conceal the meeting a...