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In this particular case in paradise it was the evacuation that took down two very small rural roads. we have legislation, part of the infrastructure plan going into the future is to plan for evacuations. >> harris: you heard the president talking about responsibility, that goes along with the vegetation you're talking about. you do have a place where democrats and republicans obviously can work together on that, the president leading away with that conversation, he took some criticism for it but i hear you saying the same thing. let's talk about the lame duck session that's coming up. we want ...

Through the roof, et cetera. >> so the president here allows, you know, if he doesn't get anything passed and just allows everything to fail, you think the message is going to be the democrats are the ones going to get the blame? >> i got in trouble the last time i said this. i'll call it the gandi strategy. >> he was all about denying health care. >> he was all about pushing it to crisis, to get independence. that's the strategy here is to push to crisis. >> and if i may press the point, it was active persistence. the president is undermining obamacare. president trump is. he is pulling back ...

All engines and let the thing crash they're going to be begging to fix it. after all if i may say this, this is their mess. obamacare is what's at stake and the premiums are going through the roof, et cetera et cetera. >> so the president here allows -- didn't get anything passed and allowing everything to fail -- >> is democrats going to get the blame here -- i'll call this the dondy strategy. >> dondy was all about denying healthcare. >> yeah. >> he was all about pushing the books to crises. that's the strategy to push to crises. >> if i may press the point it was active resistance. the pres...