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Not going to micromanage and back-bench those guys today. it was a free-for-all. do you still believe the russians interfered with the election? do you believe it happened? he pulled it all back. >> the question is i would have ordered him to talk to the russians. he could have said i would have ordered him to talk to all the countries because that's part of what he was saying. was he saying he would have ordered him to talk about the sanctions because there was a half-step away from that. he is very good at creating the gray areas. >> i think he is good at creating a big enough space that he ...

Bizarre to me, leslie. so 35 states and governors and now even majority in the senate and you look at it and say, well, these are the people who we would normally elect to be president, our governors, senators, vice presidents. and instead it is like a business guy and a doctor who have never held elected office before. >> right. but you could argue that both parties are very much lacking a back bench. there should be more governors running. more bona fides like hillary clinton. >> there should be more democrats of any kind. >> i don't buy the argument that we've rub n so far to the right- ken...

Conference rules which would take more power away from the speaker and give it more toward committee chairs and other house positions. the reason why ryan wouldn't do that is because then the job becomes less appealing. you don't have as much power. the other thing, though, and i think this is underreported, kate, is that you have these 40 members who are saying, change the rules, change the rules -- guess what! there are over 200 members that are fine with the rules the way they are, that say why would you reward this unsubordinate behavior by far right-winger, we can't do that. i think he'll...

Willing to do that. >> it is a style over substance here. that's why congressman ryan is so important. the style as well as the substance. >> this is what every legislature and every large slater has a strong leadership. we have this clamor for rules reform. wherever you have a strong speaker ulle have this back bench. it will be interesting to see in the freedom caucus. i think relatively new members. >> yeah. >> they are just sitting there talk building when they get their say. >> i'm just wondering about what point does the republican conference realize that it has a responsibility to gover...

On the back bench of the house of representatives. wolf? >> joe johns in richmond, virginia, for us. thanks. let's bring in our chief national correspondent, john king. he's the anchor of cnn's "inside politics." and our political commentator, ryan lizza of the "new yorker" magazine. so does this mean nothing is going to get done in washington for the rest of this year? what do you think? >> sure looks that way. the republicans will now have this leadership election and fairly or unfairly eric cantor was viewed and dave brat campaigned against him as somebody who wanted to be a governing conse...