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>> oh, come on. privacy? charles krauthammer says that's a load of you know what. >> the administration's line is this a question of privacy? that's absurd. that's a crock. privacy? if you tell a governor that a certain number of illegal alien children are coming to a certain facility, there is no privacy involved, he's not naming names. he's not putting a photograph on the internet. this is clearly an attempt of the administration to handle a problem by concealing it the people who most have to know. >> and he mentioned governors in maryland, the governor who sounds like he would like to run ...

Natural sifts. talk a little bit about this sensitive issue, whether or not the united states was actually negotiating with terrorists. the secretary of defense makes the case, the u.s. was negotiating with qatar. they were negotiate gs with the taliban. the taliban was negotiating with the haqqani network holding bowe bergdahl. the haqqani network a terrorist organization. was the u.s., because of this various splinters if you will, this formula, was the u.s. actually note ating with a terrorist group holding bowe bergdahl? >> i wouldn't describe the haqqani network as a terrorist group. i re...

And all sorts of dramatic stuff. and i understand there was also what you would call a whisper campaign by other officials to try to discredit the sources. >> yeah, this is -- after dr. sam foote came forward publicly on our air, he was the retired va physician who came forward with allegations of that secret list that kind of backed up what our deep throat was saying. there was a whisper campaign. we believe it was emanating directly from the department of veteran ace fairs trying to call him a disgruntled employee, somebody was trying to retaliate because of past, you know, shmites he might ...

Routes, twa 800, we thought it was initially an explosion, a bomb. it was an explosion, not a bomb. but the difference is every day the ntsb says this is what we know today, this is what we know today. when you get information through back channels, people think you're secreting something out where if they just lay it all out and frankly it would probably be a lot better and more people would come forward and you have more information. >> there's a lot that we need to learn so we can prevent, if this was mechanical, as the two of you seem to be lanning towards how we can prevent something like...

Brotherhood democratically elected but turned out not to be at all what the egyptian people thought they were going to get during that election. but you have to work these back channels, do you not? is that not what josh ernest is suggesting the white house is struggling to do right now? >> that's right. that's why the statement was blessedly wishy washy. work the back channels. don't grandstand. all of this could have been avoided, as you just alluded to, had president morsi not betrayed egyptian democracy, this fledgling democracy and tried to force islamism on the bulk of the egyptian peopl...