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He then watched television coverage as we are watching these pictures unfold, these developments unfold, on television. president obama was doing the same this morning, looking at the scene that has unfolded in cairo, that he was there watching for several minutes, just outside the oval office, watching the coverage, as we are watching extraordinary developments take place. we've also been told now that president obama will make an on-camera statement later today about what we are seeing that is taking place here throughout the country of egypt. clearly, very significant development. the obama...

Those negotiations that you can, that go on in back channels? that we know that every administration has with the north koreans through back channels and carried on with that without making this big public announcement? >> isn't it a good bet that you, you're going to see this summit in the end, anyway? that these leaders are going to be drawn to each other with a moth is drawn to a flame? and are not going to be able to help themselves in the end? and you can understand why, the north koreans would be an extraordinary win for the north koreans to have a face-to-face meeting with the united st...

Basically, he is speaking to north korea in a language, their survival as a language. they are bluffing. he is calling their bluff. itit is something -- we are not going to do anything until they doo something. are they going to do g somethin? i think we sit back and be calm about guam. >> dana: and if nothing else we can do. >> kennedy:rl earlier today i was talking with "the wall street journal" and i said, how is the mood there? people have lived with this for a couple decades, so they are not that worried. i think there is multiple levels of communication going on back channels, front chan...

Continued. joe yune met in oslo with some counterparts at the north korean foreign ministry and also the north korean ambassador to the united nations. so i think it's important for viewers to remember that although the rhetoric is very hot between the u.s. and north korea, there's still diplomatic back channels. we call it, for years, the new york channel. because it goes through the united nations. the new york north korean mission to the united nations. i wouldn't say they're very productive in terms of helping the relationship, but those channels still exist and the hope is that if they ca...

>> eric: collective self-interest, whether you're at the united nations or the five mafia family, so to speak. you raise north korea. china and russia both have this proposal out there for the u.s. to stop our military drills. the major ones. that would have a freeze of north korean nuclear program. i mean, that's almost like blackmail. do you think that will be raised, obviously, considering the latest intercontinental ballistic missile launch? >> i don't know if it will be raised in that meeting. i'm sure it will be raised in diplomatic back channels. the u.s. has to be very firm. it's north...