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Reform if you don't get something done in health care. >> right. i think the key and, again, democratic governors, republican governors, we all know we got to get our arm -- our arms around, you know, the costs. we have got to, you know, medical inflation, health care inflation is eating everyone up. businesses, citizens, state government, we know we got to control that. we don't want to roll back coverage and leave millions of people uncovered. there is a way to do this. you're right. if we don't get a solution here on health care, it is going to be hard to get other bills done because, you k...

Lead with? is it russia or health care? >> i think we're spending way too much time worrying about russia and i think we should stay on the policy issues. my big concern with health care is why are we rushing this through? i'll the first person, many democratic governors would agree, we need improve and change parts of the affordable care act. to roll back coverage so many people. to do the, put so many people at risk. specially penalties that will be placed on people 50 to 65 years old. those kinds of things aren't well known to people. maybe the russian thing is trying to distract voters so ...

On the side. i agree with that. there is a lack of resources. there isn't enough money for the program. it's like having a car but no gasoli gasoline. it doesn't go very far. >> why have democrats not been part of the process? >> because the republicans have been very focused trying to put together a bill, ram it through, get it through without a lot of discussion, and they knew it would be difficult, right, to give $230 billion of tax cuts to the richest americans. there are a lot of republican senators not happy to go along with that. i think it's good news they're going back to discuss it, ...

To make some changes and control costs in health care, we just don't want to roll back coverage on millions of people. >> think about what he said about the coverage for maternity leave. each state could design a plan where we could reach agreement on there are certain people that shouldn't have to buy that, and there's others that should. jake, the most important thing in reaching agreement on a big, big thing is to just get some basic principles in place. then when the principles are in place and hickenlooper and i get into a room, we wrestle each other into the ground, i give a little bit, ...

Good idea in my life that the moment i started talking about it with staff or people around me it didn't get suddenly better. and to think that a small number of one party are going to come up with the right solutions is kind of crazy. governor kasich was talking to me a couple weeks ago, and we kind of joked about if you went through the whole list of issues, there's probably only about 5% that we really disagree on. we could find compromise on almost everything. and i think not only should the republican senators reach out to the democratic senators, but i would volunteer there are a bunch o...