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Meaning the white house counsel don mcghan, have a great relationship. he appreciates all the hard work he's done, particularly his help and expertise with the judges and the supreme court nominees. when you see sarah sanders say he, the president, appreciates mcgann's expertise with the judges, he's referring to the fact that don mcghan spearheaded the effort to stock the federal courts with conservative judges. he's also responsible for the president's attempts to really cut back regulations, regulations across the federal government. so don mcghan is in many ways a conservative hero. you se...

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Money? >> the president did not answer that last question. as if this white house wasn't juggling enough. this was also the week the administration announced it was sending national dpaguard troopo the u.s.-mexican boarder. they are expected to deploy starting tonight. here to talk with us is care carol lee and white house reporter for politico. welcome, everyone. carol, beyond the fact that scott pruitt is doing what donald trump want, rolling back regulations, why is the president content to keep him on board after all the cscandals w have been seeing in the last few months. >> a couple of t...

That's what we're doing right now. again, the president thinks that he's done a good job on the purpose of carrying out the goals of the epa. >> that's the setup. let's talk about it. joining me, derek thompson, senior editor for "the atlantic," and white house reporter for "the associated press." and msnbc political analyst. and peter nicholas, white house reporter with the "wall street journal." thank you guys for joining me this afternoon. jonathan, i'll start with you. you've reported that scott pruitt met with the president yesterday in an effort to save his job. this was on the same day ...

Told the president about pruitt? how can we know him he told him to fire him? he tells somebody in the pressey told him to firefighter guy? >> cooperate with more than one person. several people in the building can give accounts can of a conversation. >> it looked like it was fed. just a thought. that would goose the move, wouldn't it? get the word out i told you to get rid of the guy. >> trump sometimes acts in contrarian purposes to what his chief of staff advised him. pruitt was in the oval office today for a meeting where he was going to talk about rolling back regulations, fuel efficiency...