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The last three years. >> well, i'm always hesitant to criticize public officials without knowing all the background details. certainly the mayor of houston had a very hard decision. it's a city of a few million people. once you ask -- mandate a few million people the leave you're creating chaos on the highways. whether he could have or should have required certain local areas to evacuate, i can't tell. i don't know the area. i think there will be a lot of review after the fact. i think it is pre-mature for anybody to try to start criticizing now. the thing to do now is support the efforts, get...

Notice means. but in about 20 minutes the national security council says they'll provide background details to reporters. let me bring in pentagon correspondent hans nichols. hans, do you have any idea why the president would be giving to dover? >> dover is where the remains of fallen u.s. soldiers typically return when they're repat rated to this country. as we know, a navy s.e.a.l., chief petty officer on owens perished in a raid that went bad over the weekend. president obama did this frequently. president bush did this frequently. they go out there, they receive the casket, receive the rem...

That he might have been radicalized by the very efforts to stop the radicalization? >> most the cases i've seen radicalization happens from other individuals who draw someone into a network. the second thing is we're only seeing half of this story. the government doesn't spend the resources and take the legal risk of pulling somebody aside, preventing them from traveling just because somebody looks funny. there is something else going on here in terms of whatever triggered the government to undertake this investigation. the last thing in response to cage, you can be alienated, the step between...

Unacceptable for the president and the white house to basically say hey, nothing to do with us. three big bombshells have erupted, you know. you have the assassination of an ambassador in benghazi and other americans, you've had the targeting of right wing tea partiers by the irs, and you've got the targeting of the press now in two different places, a.p. and fox news. all of them, i think, come down to a culture at the white house. can he really, the president, stand by and jay carney and these guys and say none of these are scandals, nothing to do with us, our fingerprints aren't on this? >>...

These guys and say none of these are scandals, nothing to do with us, our fingerprints aren't on this? >> oh, i was waiting -- >> didn't take long. didn't take long. >> every time people mention nixon -- >> even nixon didn't do what holder's done. even nixon didn't seek to go after a journalist like rosen at fox news and try and get all these background details, his e-mail, his family's e-mails. >> holder is not a sitting president, okay? again -- >> he works for the administration. >> not exactly. the state department doesn't exactly work -- the department of justice doesn't exactly work that...