these guys and say none of these are scandals, nothing to do with us, our fingerprints aren't on this? >> oh, i was waiting -- >> didn't take long. didn't take long. >> every time people mention nixon -- >> even nixon didn't do what holder's done. even nixon didn't seek to go after a journalist like rosen at fox news and try and get all these background details, his e-mail, his family's e-mails. >> holder is not a sitting president, okay? again -- >> he works for the administration. >> not exactly. the state department doesn't exactly work -- the department of justice doesn't exactly work that way. ostensibly operates independently of the president and of course we know there's connections there. but let's not overstate those connections. >> but if you say of course we know there are connections and everyone does know there are connections, how far can you stretch the line of credibility? let me ask you this, margaret.