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Time after kind of giving this investigation a few days. but it seems like europe and everybody is being so careful with what is obvious. what are the ramifications of condemning russia strongly? >> look, the human tragedy needs to be addressed, but remember putin was not confronted really effectively for going into crimea. and he's got a huge approval rating. accounts that suggest that putin feels pressure, putin's backing down, i just don't see it. someone must stand up to him. someone must lead the world to get europe to understand that they're going to have to suffer economically and stand...

>> all right. we should note there that was hillary clinton in an exclusive interview with diane sawyer from nbc these. i want to bring in perry bacon. here you have hillary clinton standing shoulder to shoulder with president obama when you've got folks like senator diane feinstein, senator jeanne shaheen this week backing down, distancing themselves from president obama's position on bergdahl specifically. what might this mean for hillary clinton should she decide to run in 2016, if anything? >> what you've seen so far on a lot of issues, obamacare, syria, now bergdahl, hillary clinton has n...

Attempt to deescalate the situation. as phil says, for the sign that those pro russian groups when you crane, within the eastern cities are backing down, irrespective of what russia is or isn't telling them privately. so geneva at this stage doesn't look as though it has achieved all that much and russia certainly is saying to the west because of this continued threat of more sanctions that d.c. hasn't taken off the table that swaug u washington shouldn't treat russia like a foughty school girl. so russia is very angry, really, at the way it is treated internationally and doesn't team to be sa...

>> plus it is expected to be quite a night for stargazers. we'll help you countdown to the arrival of the blood moon. >> another conversation between the president of the united states and his russian counterpart. barack obama urging him to vacate buildings they have occupied. he called on mr. obama to help prevent the use of force. >> with no signs the protesters are backing down, the acting president says he is open to holding a referendum. that could give more power to the regions in crisis. the u.n. should send in peacekeeping troops. the european foreign ministers

>> no problem with that, juan? >> no, i think there are people who are saying to him, they're not willing to negotiate with him. they're making clear demands and they're saying, we're not willing to negotiate, talk, bargain, compromise, and you get a president who says, okay, on this issue, especially in terms of raising the debt ceiling, he's not negotiating. so you get this hard line on both sides. but, i mean, the larger issue here is do you want that president who will back down the minute anybody makes a demand of him, and he's not willing to do that. i don't think that's a reason to crit...