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To give southern district everything you can in hopes you can get a post-conviction, some sort of a cooperation or statement from the government saying, hey, we'd like to knock down this sentence further because that's what he needs right now. >> the idea that it's almost a backup venue potentially if there's a pardon of paul manafort from the president at some point, the prospects of a presidential pardon for manafort, how do you read those? >> we've heard there might be state charges ending up that are coming down the pike. that would be immuneized from a pardon. but i think this the souther...