Of business leaders. ursula von der leyen is talking about de—risking with china. can you keep developing trade and de—risk at the same time? yeah, i think that's a little bit difficult here. and i see that of course people are talking about the good cop, bad cop. so macrom going with the economic delegation and the non—aligned giving the strong speech on on china. so i think we have to rethink in the european union about our china policy. i think we have to de—risk. we have to make sure that we are not dependent on china in special fields. but of course, we cannot completely stop inve...