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Careful thinking about what wins elections and not just in deep blue disdistricts. nothing is going to get done if you don't have a democratic majority in the house and senate. our majority comes from people who win in much more difficult districts. >> she is pushing back on the progressive movement in that comment, joe. >> she is. i wish i could have been the person interviewing her, you know how to win outside the blue district. what happened in wisconsin where you didn't campaign. michigan, ohio, pennsylvania where the blue wall came down. she is speaking a lot more about this. hillary clin...

Tom freeman a columnist for "the new york times." liberal leaning respected by many. biden/cheney 2024 says this is what america could use. a unity ticket. it is complete nonsense, waste of time to even think about it but what do you think? >> the thought process here is to replace the historic vice president in kamala harris a woman of color with a white congresswoman from wyoming and her dad was dick cheney who you worked with, dana and called darth cheney by democrats. that will work, why not? freeman won a pulitzer but i don't think he thought this one through. >> dana: the job of the vice...