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At carey and obama and not the audience watching the speech. >> yeah, i think that's right. i think there's not much you can do about the iran deal either especially in view of the fact that we have certified that they're doing what they're supposed to do. you could argue that we could have cut a better deal and i think that's that was his brarmt and that's his argument now but that train has left the station. >> and ambassador, do you fear for your life's work, meaning the vacancies at the state department, the fact that this has not been venner rated, this being this fear of foreign affairs ...

You got the president trying to build trump toyer in moscow and michael flynn trying to start a business of his own building nuclear plants in the middle east. >> while he is the single most, in some sense the single most powerful security official in the white house. >> absolutely. this is in his bailiwick. it's such a conflict of interest that it doesn't come close to being normal. >> and the other thing about that news, to pivot for a second from the flynn jr. news to the flynn news, he had been involved in the deal, taken money from the interests who were trying to put together the nuclear...

A defense. so where am i going with this? the president would wisely wait out the course of how the case runs its course on appeal and the other point i would throw in, neil, you could commute the sentence as was done with scooter libby. >> neil: interesting. when i talked to former arizona governor jan brewer, she wouldn't prejudge this or the wisdom of a pardon now but did say let's see what happens at the sentencing or the completion. you don't sort of prepardon someone when the legal process hasn't worked itself out. what to you make of that? >> no, that's a fantastic point you're making. ...

Order to the white house. he's got high ethical standards. he may tamp down some of the competing power centers. control the schedule more. control access more to the president. but when it comes to dealing with congress and the delicate dance of persuasion that must take place, like roland said repairing those relationships with republicans. that is a -- that is out of his bailiwick in terms of his experience in the past. and there is so much work that needs to be done on that end after the stunning defeat of health care. so i think that the big question will be how does he deal with congress...

Because this isn't -- >> but in the communications department or everywhere? >> both. i think initially it will probably be comms because that's his bailiwick right now. but i think as your effectiveness grows as we saw with kellyanne conway, your portfolio grows, your reach grows, the people you can have around you that your respect grows, you can't have reince priebus and scaramucci if things stay the way they are. but now then you get to the next layer, david chalian, which is what won't be talked about as long as leaks are that matters every bit as much, this lgbt move is not just patent h...