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>> heidi, here's a question for bernie sanders in his 70s, he has to now adjust to a battle between the sexes, if you will, that becomes cartoonish, perhaps. he has to learn how to come out and say words he's always said in a way that doesn't carry that extra angle of jrnd. >> and i think we see this across issues, chris. i was at the dnc event in the morning, where clinton first made her remarks, and he spoke before her, and i was kind of struck by the fact that he didn't adjust his talking points, his stump speech at all. i mean, he had a couple of issues sprinkled in there, for example, on ...

What we're seeing now, can he continue to hold that idea if he has to also be in a knife fight in politics. >> heidi, here's a question for bernie sanders in his 70s, he has to now adjust to a battle between the sexes, if you will, that becomes cartoonish, perhaps. he has to learn how to come out and say words he's always said in a way that doesn't carry that extra angle of jrnd. >> and i think we see this across issues, chris. i was at the dnc event in the morning, where clinton first made her remarks, and he spoke before her, and i was kind of struck by the fact that he didn't adjust his tal...

The secret service. it's their bailiwick. and their interaction with local police departments, federal agencies and, in this case, the military. everybody has to be very, very careful. but with the holy father the way he is and the way he wants to be with people, you have to let him do that. so you have to be absolutely more vigilant than you've been in your life. >> they warned us ahead of time, don't try to be a big shot and big face and say, everybody knows me. try that here, it gets you nowhere. we got up at 5:00 this morning. a lot of the crew guys up at 3:00 just to get on the buses that...

Somebody's been through a traumatic event such as this one here that they don't remember things leading up to the accident. >> so you're not necessarily suspicious because the engineer said that at this point? >> no we have not personally interviewed the engineer ourselves and we hope to have that opportunity very soon. >> toxicology is not your bailiwick in this right? that's up to amtrak to do that? >> yes, amtrak is required to do that by federal law. >> and he doesn't have to give them the information and he doesn't have to talk to any of you. he could retain his right not to participate i...

But i think there is some credence to what he is saying. and we can all take stock in what the president said. listen the president is a black man, as he said. he is the first black president of the united states. if anybody is going to talk about race and deal with this issue, it is the black president of the united states and he realizes now, as he is going out, that this is where -- this is his sweet spot. this is his bailiwick, and this is where he needs to make a difference when it comes to his legacy. and i say you know what? more power to him. >> is he trying to shape his legacy with th...