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Figure may be way too low. the real number is likely to be closer to $400 billion. let's bring in my colleague ken dilanian. ken, i can't get nigh head around a number that big. >> this is a straf gee. straf gee, the biggest fraud in history. i've talked to the secret service at length. that's a low ball estimate. lexus nexus and i.d. me which have contracts with the states say fraud and unemployment programs alone is between $200 and $400 billion on top of the loan programs, the disaster relief fund and the ppp which could be another $160 billion. all together as much money as the new spendin...

What we don't favor manipulating companies. >> bill: you would have to prove your case though. you would have to show that he did something wrong and you would have to show it beyond a reasonable doubt. >> therefore, there has not to be specific transparency. did he drive companies into bankruptcy. we have got to get down to facts. >> bill: our people are researching it right now to show that they created 75 million jobs. >> that's a low ball estimate, bill. >> bill: you know how they go. oh my god. davis and crowley. where is colmes? colmes in jail? >> on vacation. >> bill: he is on vacation....

What we don't favor manipulating companies. >> bill: you would have to prove your case though. you would have to show that he did something wrong and you would have to show it beyond a reasonable doubt. >> therefore, there has not to be specific transparency. did he drive companies into bankruptcy. we have got to get down to facts. >> bill: our people are researching it right now to show that they created 75 million jobs. >> that's a low ball estimate, bill. >> bill: you know how they go. oh my god. davis and crowley. where is colmes? colmes in jail? >> on vacation. >> bill: he is on vacation....

What we don't favor manipulating companies. >> bill: you would have to prove your case though. you would have to show that he did something wrong and you would have to show it beyond a reasonable doubt. >> therefore, there has not to be specific transparency. did he drive companies into bankruptcy. we have got to get down to facts. >> bill: our people are researching it right now to show that they created 75 million jobs. >> that's a low ball estimate, bill. >> bill: you know how they go. oh my god. davis and crowley. where is colmes? colmes in jail? >> on vacation. >> bill: he is on vacation....

America is security for america. and it is jobs for american workers, jobs that can't be outsourced. let's drill, baby drill, not stall, baby, stall. >> that woman is an idiot. let's bring in joe rome senior fellow at the center for american progress, editor of climate degree progress.org and author of "straight up." thanks for your time tonight. >> thanks for having me, keith. >> bp originally said it could handle a spill by itself, it originally said it would be 1,000 barrels a day. how has that affected this whole thing, what they said? >> yeah, well bp gave us, you know, they said trust us...