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Place. what we can do as a society to prevent people like this from acquiring these kinds of weapons from going into a movie theater and killing these people. >> one of the things he said when he was speaking with "morning joe" this morning was i'm going to keep stirring it up and hope other people join in that effort. are you optimistic that other leaders will come forward and say we have to do something about this problem? >> you have to be hopeful that society can change and you look at a lot of issues over the years where the issue seemed intractable, the politics were against it and peopl...

Ball forward, and undone by the crazy meat heads in the tea party. how does that make you feel? >>guest: well, i think, it makes me feel effective. i am just a mom of four kids because of people like arlen specter got off the couch and decided to join the tea party, the fiscal conservative movement and decided to turn the ship around in this country and i am feeling empowered when specter writes a book. it is quite the contrary. we are being effective and growing in numbers, and we are going to copy this model and we will clone the model we did in indiana, we will do it in ohio. we will do it ...

Stance to try to win a democratic state? >> no, not at all. today i would support laws that would provide for those exceptions. but i'm not for them. in other wds, i support the hyde amendmt. the hyde amendment provides exception for rape and incest and the life of the mother. yes, i support laws that provide those exceptions because if we can get those passe then we need to do that. but -- >> that's not a violation of your pledge? >> no. i try -- i supported th partia birth abortion ban act. does thatan all abortion no. but it moves the country in the right direction. so what i've said in the...

So, didn't you, when you were ru for re-election, do the same thing you've acused romney of, which is moderating your stance to try to win a democratic state? >> no, not at all. today i would support laws that would provide for those exceptions. but i'm not for them. in other wds, i support the hyde amendmt. the hyde amendment provides exception for rape and incest and the life of the mother. yes, i support laws that provide those exceptions because if we can get those passe then we need to do that. but -- >> that's not a violation of your pledge? >> no. i try -- i supported th partia birth ab...

Democratic state? >> no, not at all. today i would support laws that would provide for those exceptions. but i'm not for them. in other wds, i support the hyde amendmt. the hyde amendment provides exception for rape and incest and the life of the mother. yes, i support laws that provide those exceptions because if we can get those passe then we need to do that. but -- >> that's not a violation of your pledge? >> no. i try -- i supported th partia birth abortion ban act. does thatan all abortion no. but it moves the country in the right direction. so what i've said in the past consistent is i'l...