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>> no. i'll tell you this. you not heard senator mcconnell say that. people have said that on his behalf. one thing about senator mcconnell, he's a pragmatic person. he understands how the city operates as well or better than anybody. i don't think he's side swiped by anything. he's as a guys that had a deals through the years of all shapes, sizes and colors and understands that sometimes to move the ball forward, you do what needs to be done. i applaud the president on keeping his foot on the gas -- >> neil: governor, he didn't tell you he was surprised the way the president crafted this debt...

Other things not being there very palatable to many people in the base. >> neil: do you think in the end, governor, these tax cuts, however they materialize them and for whom they materialize should be retroactive? >> it's going to depend. i went comment on something that i know will be there or not. there's times when retroactivity is good and other times when it's not good. this is also not a single bite of the apple to say what is done now will be the only thing this administration will do in the years ahead would be a mistake. i think the key is to continue to move the ball forward, this i...

The american people. so absolutely we're going to continue to move the ball forward, and i know the president wants to do that as well. >> let me ask it this way, you heard in the president's tweet or saw in the president's tweet, he used the term witch hunt. do you agree what is happening in washington, d.c. is a witch hunt? >> i know what's happening in washington, d.c. i've been there for six years. the rhetoric, back-and-forth rhetoric is not what's good for the american people. i was a businessman for almost three decades. i went there because i want to get past the rhetoric and get thing...

>> jon: does this change the dialogue in washington right now? does it change the narrative with so much else going on on capitol hill right now? >> i don't think this really does a whole lot to move the ball forward, especially looking at it from a long-term perspective, i think this is not going to stop anybody who wants to see trump's tax returns, all of them and full from continuing to push them to do so. of course, this is hunting democrats have been pushing ever since he got into the presidential race. i think right now, this is not at the very top of their priority list. again, we are i...

Because it represents compromise on all sides. i also spoke to one of my democratic sources who said look, if you look at the way the sequester has worked out, yes, it has only staved off for two months. however, they are off setting the cuts both through revenue as well as spending cuts. the reason democrats believe it is significant is because when they revisit this issue in two months they will set a precedent through revenues, as well as spending cuts. this is something democrats have not won on, in a long time this idea of new revenues. so they believe this sets a new, important precedent...