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laundering, playly f particular russians. there is smoke there. whether there is any fire, we'll see. >> okay. i think there are two things to look for, putting aside sort of a power to force the administration to do anything, it is getting others, third parties, to cooperate with subpoenas, especially folks who have an incentive to cooperate. bar banks who don't want to take on congress, other individuals, that's where trump has the most potential damage. >> like michael cohen. michael cohen has said he will testify before congress. that will be quite a show. >> particularly if it is an open hearing. to jeff's earlier point, the red line that the president, you know, stated for the mueller investigation with regard to personal finances of the company doesn't apply to congress. so let me ask you this. if they go into the deutsche bank relationship and really find some stuff, there is an open question. we know there is already folks

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