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The trump organization is now facing its greatest legal and financial test of its entire corporate lifetime with this grand jury probe, and we're joined by a former trump organization executive vice president, barbara rez. she also wrote the book "tower of lies: what my 18 years of working with donald trump reveals about him." thanks for being here. >> my pleasure. >> barbara, i want to pick up on a point that applies to the last year with mr. gaetz and the story of the trump organization. dolly parton and others have discussed the company you keep. what does it mean for people like weisselber...

Said, you are known by the company you keep. you say you're doing nothing wrong. i don't believe you are. i'm only trying to help you, sis, before you go too far. and as dolly refrain goes in that song and as newsmax might be trying to toe the line with mr. gaetz, she also said, quote, i'm not accusing you of anything, but you're known by the company you keep. and that brings us to a contemporary version of the same classic warning, telling everyone, bad company, bad company is bad for your company. and newsmax is a company, a corporation, that apparently doesn't want company in the terms of t...

>> you know him. does he look about the same or any different or too hard to tell in such a brief clip? >> he's a lot older. >> aren't we all, barbara? >> i don't think that he was, i don't know, as rough as he appeared there. he was a much more gentle kind of person. you know, talking about no comment, no comment, i'm thinking he picked that up along the way. >> and here is michael cohen, another witness who is cooperating with this grand jury probe. take a look. >> everybody lied for donald. it wasn't just me. it was the entire company. it was don jr., ivanka, eric, jared, allen. you name it...

Us out, barbara. was that true in your experience? did that include lying where it can be illegal? there is some lying that goes on in real estate, like it or not, but lying to government regulators is different. and, third, did you ever feel that pressure? >> for one thing, sometimes people lie and they don't know they're lying. they know they're dealing with trump and trump says this and they will go with that. seriously. because initially i believed him. i believe everything he said. i think that we had a little meeting of the minds, so to speak to sign off on something as an engineer that ...

Calimari may have been one, some of the things he may have done to donald. it is speculation, but based on, you know, my knowledge of their relationship. mcconney is an interesting guy. he's a smart guy, and i don't think you could pull the wool over his head so much. but on the other hand, he dealt with weisselberg and weisselberg told him what he wanted to know. he wasn't close to trump. >> yeah. and that may be a difficult to prosecutors in the theory of their case. he's not that close to trump, but as you said he puts pressure and wants out of this whole thing. it is clearly escalating ove...