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point is that people have access to information now. the state can not monopolize their sense of how their country's doing, how it compares to the rest of the world. and i think that was, in fact, the primary impact of technology in the arab world and i think it will be in china as well, is that people in egypt could see that the countries their government kept telling them were their peers, india and indonesia, were just zooming ahead and they were just stuck. >> somebody who's worked on burma the last 15 years, i want to make a couple observations. first of all, we don't know what'...

institution like drl, with culture, particularly, what are the mechanisms? >> well, it's a huge and important question, and i think one of the things that dan freed said in the last panel that i think needs to be repeated over and over again is that we have to be clear about our values. we have to be clear about our long-term interests. and we have to hold our nerve in terms of exacting change. we had panels this morning talking about, you know, latin america. latin america change didn't occur overnight. it occurred because civil society grew. many of them tied to the catholic church...