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Again, they can score political points. is that a smart strategy? >> i think it's unrealistic. i don't think that any republican embarrassment over this shutdown andño' the drop in the favorability of the partyxdñr does not mean they're going to go along with whateverñiv wants sufficient to get a bill on immigration reform, sufficient to get a budget deal and who knows about the farm bill. when the president is standing there talking about the farm bill being one of his major elements, that shows youhow -- >> it also includes food stamps. >> i know it does. i think the kweupbdz are in a str...

Again, they can score political points. is that a smart strategy? >> i think it's unrealistic. i don't think that any republican embarrassment over this shutdown andño' the drop in the favorability of the partyxdñr does not mean they're going to go along with whateverñiv wants sufficient to get a bill on immigration reform, sufficient to get a budget deal and who knows about the farm bill. when the president is standing there talking about the farm bill being one of his major elements, that shows you how -- >> it also includes food stamps. >> i know it does. i think the kweupbdz are in a st...

A forcing mechanism. it should stay in place forever and substitute mandatory much better for longer hall than discretionary cuts. hopefully that is what's going to happen. the whole framework of how this is set up is to try to use that moment as much as possible, to get congress to do things we should have done two or three or four years ago. >> senator corker, thanks very much. thanks for keeping us on top of it today. joining us david axelrod, analyst for nbc news and senior adviser to president obama during his first term and presumably in the interim as well. david, lets talk about what h...

Around and do this all over again in january. there is also this. democrats' main concern according to reporting in the washington post is scaling back sequester cuts, making sure once the government is open and running again, it is not at the drastically reduced funding levels we have been operating at because of the deal that was struck the last time there was a debt ceiling fight. there are -- these are sure signs that democrats think they are in a strong bargaining position here. bargaining is apparently what harry reid and mitch mcconnell are now doing with each other. in poker, reid's mo...

The credit of the united states in order to improve a bargaining position and basically, force the united states into a hold hostage situation. that isn't helpful. that isn't productive. the boxed canyon. when we solve that, as soon as the government is back operating, as soon as the debt limit is not threatened by extremism and we can not have that shadow fall over our economy, we'll negotiate on everything. >> let me respond to both of those. first of all what you said is simply not true. i am a big support he of health care reform. i think we need to allow interstate competition, a national...