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There's still folks around that would love to help with this. they've done it before. they know how to reassemble aircraft. and then you have the arrows that point to that fracture point. from that point, that's where you're going to find the fracture points that lead the investigators. >> bob, you talk about this not having a very large device and it could have been a pound or less. when you see the detail three miles away from a big portion of the debris field, a huge space we're talking about, how difficult would it be to find pieces of the device itself? would they have a chance at doing t...

Of us that don't know much about explosives. >> anderson, it's very easy, this technology is old but reliable. it worked on several attacks in the '70s, the bombs went off. you know, the dead nay tors can be smuggled on. that's always the hardest part with the underwear bomber from amsterdam. they were lucky that didn't go off. the detonator was absorbed as sweat and that's why it didn't detona detonate. it's the technology, i don't think we've really been able to defeat. i mean, you me, it's not just smuggling an employee of the airport. anybody can walk near an airplane can put something on ...

Something on a wing and the rest of it. but more than that are x-ray machines cannot detect a very sophisticated device with or without a barometric switch. i mean, they can be hidden. the explosives can be made into sculptures and ghazed over. it can look like anything. or toner cartridge. this is what has us scared. it's not just sharm el-sheikh. our security in this country, tsa can be beaten. >> and bob, you're saying the actual detonator, the switch itself wouldn't show up in an x-ray or just wouldn't be identifiable? >> it wouldn't be identifiable. i mean, you could hide it. they are ver...