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President. i certainly hope not. we will see to what extent the white house keeps up this line of defense on the sunday talk shows today but the line so far is appeal to the base and attack the whistle-blower. >> this when we are going on with that other investigation now with the state department officials sending emails to hillary clinton's private email. talk about that and what the white house is saying. >> reporter: so the white house hasn't weighed in on this. according to the "washington post" this email investigation is taking place on career civil servants on who sent e ma ills to the...

Unless there's something wrong going on. so this is something that needs to be looked into very carefully by congress especially in light of the whistle-blower complaint we are confronting. >> the journal article talks about the white house's efforts to clamp down on secrecy after information was leaked out. we have seen more leaks in this administration than previous ones. during your time in the white house, what is your take on this administration and the approach they have to these leaks? and can leaks be perceived as an ethics question? >> so let me just say that unless you're leaking, yo...

Actual contents of that call with president zelensky of the ukraine if there was nothing to hide. so at this point in time i think you're going to see the employees, now, remember, the current employees because it was mentioned kurt volker no longer works for this administration, he resigned on friday night. so we will have at least four state department employees show up this week. during the course of those depositions, frances, i would actually want to focus on the involvement specifically of rudy giuliani and bill barr. i would of course ask questions about donald trump, there could be an ...

Upon the reporting so far really whether -- or what has driven this new probe, but we do know that president trump is interested in getting any kind of information to try to discredit the democrats as a party ahead of the 2020 election and so further probing of hillary clinton keeps a story line going about democrats and scandals and this is something that it's clear from the president with the president of ukraine president trump is trying to keep going into the 2020 election cycle. >> here we are talking about the e-mails once again. let's talk about impeachment which would have been the hea...

Some more reporting here and figure out what motivated this, has it been accelerated this investigation and who ultimately ordered it. >> many questions when it comes to that investigation especially when it comes to the timing. hans nichols, thank you. joining me now allen smith political reporter for nbc news and julia manchester reporter for the hill. good morning. >> good morning. >> i want to start with you and that "washington post" story we were just talking about with hands. hillary clinton isn't even running for president so what does the trump administration gain by reviving this, ...