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Argument and just basically republicans' argument, and i guess what do you call them? trump apologists that there needs to be some sort of vote. >> right. i mean it's a small victory for the anti-trump side. it's not a huge deal one way or the other, i would say, because, you know, all these process arguments that the republicans are making have a short shelf life anyway, right? because they're saying this is all behind closed doors. you need a vote. well, guess what? in a few weeks' time you're going to have public hearings and there will be a vote, so help yourself guys. >> there are also 47...

>> let's bring into this conversation the host of "saturday night politics k" on msnbc, donny deutsch. donny, this is the political argument versus the base argument and you want the word "impeachment" out of the conversation. explain that. >> i want to rebrand the fight. you have to fight. the democrats have to fight, to the rev's point. but you don't want a fight that you're going to lose. you're going to lose an impeachment fight for two reasons. donald trump gets to say they're coming to take me away, they're going to take your president and it's not going go anywhere in the senate so you ...

What has been happening in this district with the race that saccone has run and that republicans have run on his behalf has been a race that notably was not what you thought it might be about. it's not about the trump economy and how well the trump economy is performing. it's not about the trump tax cuts, which is the biggest achievement for donald trump. what this race has come down to in the final days are republicans trying to run against immigration, crime and nancy pelosi. the arguments that you would have expected in any normal midterm year where the president has the kinds of accomplish...

Again unless something really bad happens, i don't think it's much of an argument at all. >> let me just jump in for a second. i think where you will hear this is when netanyahu comes to washington, it's the kind of base argument that newt gingrich can make and can be amplified. it gives netanyahu a great deal of leverage when he comes here. that's the argument to the republican base, they'll be there at the conference and there's going to be an echo chamber. and the other piece of it is $5 gas, bumping up again that on the coast and you'll see it go higher if we do become engaged in some sort...

Base believe, even if it's not particularly supported by too many facts. >> but -- interesting, gene, that you don't hear that much in debates, you don't hear a lot of it on the stump outside of newt gingrich. because the fact of the matter is that president obama did kill osama bin laden. he got us out of iraq at the end of the day. is scaling back in afghanistan. it's a tough case to make for many republicans against president obama. >> it's a very tough case. and i think what you guys were saying is absolutely right. it's a base argument and it appeals to people who are already disposed not...