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You can do the math. people can crawl under, climb over walls. the wall is the stupidest idea on earth. we get that. but if he doesn't have empathy, which all indications shows he does not, he doesn't care people are suffering. how does this shutdown end? how does congress and the nature go around the president if mitch mcconnell won't budge and republicans won't budge and how do democrats not lose the narrative that this is trump's shutdown. >> well, that is the conundrum that nancy pelosi and her team find themselves in and certainly having some democrats, at least one, you know, come out an...

They're not actually caring that much. when i talk to voters on the ground, i never hear these issues brought up. so i think it's one thing that, you know, a witch hunt, yes, that narrative will hold up until november, i think, for trump's base core of supporters. however, what you're seeing with conor lamb is that there are a lot of republicans who may have voted for trump in november who are sort of saying, i actually don't know if this is the message i want for the new swath of republicans, democrats coming in. >> hmm. something else, and i guess, david, it's no surprise, he didn't bring up...

How problematic if at all is that for judge moore? >> well that would be what you would call impeachment. it wouldn't be because of the way that sean framed the question was, anybody in the late teens. he can always, his default would be when asked to explain it is going to be late teens. were you asking me about 17 or 18, that's late teens. 19 is late teens. so that's not going to carry the day. at the end of the day, only at the fringes are people going to say -- or is he going to be able or anybody going to be able to change their mind. when it comes to his base core of support. none of the...

The actual base text, the actual legislation as i read it and look at it, and as we go through this process, i think the pre-existing condition, as president made clear, will be in these reforms as we get it signed into law. >> how do you know how many people with pre-existing conditions will be covered without a cbo score? >> you know, obviously, we have the base score that cbo is out there. when you get into scoring, especially at congressional budget office, making assumptions as to what state will apply for a waiver, which will not, that's all speculative, at best, in my opinion. >> but th...