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I think what's really interesting, there was an article in the ringer where they interviewed aaron rodgers. he's like america's golden boy. even aaron rodgers says this is nonsense. this is nonsense. he said we didn't even come out for the pledge when i was behind brett favre. all of this is a creation of right-wing white nationalists who want to attack african-american players for being ungrateful. that's what the president wants to do, that's the reason he's talking about it and all the rest of the owners are capitulating. so it's obvious it's for political purposes, not for any practical fi...

The mid-terms i won't aggressively engage in a trade war right now. i'll slow it down. he is getting negative signals from republicans on capitol hill. secondly, i'm not going to have vladimir putin in here before the mid-term elections. >> sandra: it could be part of his strategy, too. >> you talk about a president unlike other presidents has a long, long-term strategy i believe in terms. he brings up these things like the tariffs and he likes to point out he is convinced even larry kudlow that using tariffs as a tool is a very effective way to get countries to do what you want to do and, of ...

Republicans you have to say was it worth it and to change the course of the court for a generation or more causes people to rethink things. for every bad trump tweet, you can look at the future of that ben ch and make an argument tha it's worth it. >> we saw the court uphold the president's travel ban saying he had the right to do it. what impact might that have and what impact might this new supreme court fight have on democrats? demoralizing or getting out the vote. >> i think it's getting out the vote. we already see a momentum already with the democratic party and the base and this is base...

Supreme court justices, make him somebody that the republicans rightly are rallying around? >> yeah, i mean, even for trump's skeptical republicans you have to say, was it worth it? and to change the course of the court for a generation or more, certainly causes people to rethink things for every bad trump tweet, you can look at the future of that bench and make a coherent argument that it's worth it. >> and all of that -- i have to ask you, this week we also saw the court uphold the president's travel ban saying that he had the right to do it. what impact might that have and what impact might...

Because they have seen some of these images of children in cages, they have seen how president trump's handling of i.c.e. has allowed theaggressiv deporting people who aren't theically criminals, who have entered the country illegally but have not done any other crimes while they were here. so they are trying to rally their base, motivate their base to make sure that they come out during the november elections. and as matt said, this could turn off some moderate voters, some end voters and some republicans who might be open to voting for democrats. but a number of democrats are seeing this as ...