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Have been for the last year, talking about how to make sure 2012 doesn't happen again or gets worse, that they're narrowly getting the e electr t of white guys. before that, we have 2014. and the rnc chairman admitted this to me. this is going to be a base election meaning they have to in a midterm election get out the core republican voters and it is especially true talking about the republicans' quest to take over the senate because a lot of the key races are in states where president obama lost to mitt romney. so those are actually -- it's fertile ground for getting these conservatives out....

>> absolutely. look. i wouldn't mind having president obama campaign for me. i'm sure that many of the other democrats across the country would love to have the president. this is probably a base election. off year elections, the name of the game and rick knows this is turnout. the last time around turnout was 40%. so he is trying to get his base out and trying to get independence out and trying to get republicans who are interested in his candidacy as well. so president obama will help him get his base out and help him with interests and others. >> if it is only 30% turnout, who makes out the...

Active duarte, in terms of a shutdown question, virginia is unlike other states. there is so much government there. the other factor, in 2014, you mentioned the tightness of counties, the other things that democrats should be remembering is who comes out in a mid-term? it's a base election. there is nothing that's good about a 28% approval rating for republicans, surely, but if it were 2016 and they were looking at that, it would be an absolute disaster and it may spell disaster for 2016 if they can't get it together on immigration the shutdown will be forgotten i guess. they're insulated by t...

Rate four years ago. 7% now. that's why you look at midwestern firewall for the president holding up in this sort of fool's aaron that romney is taking in eyeing pennsylvania at this late date. >> i'm out of time. but i must ask you this, jonathan, new york times is reporting that romney camp has been wooing, of all controversial characters, glenn beck. glenn beck's unique position as both a mormon and prominent voice amath evangelicals have been too tempting for m romney's campaign it pass up. campaign officials have quietly courted mr. beck. is that a sign of desperation or is that smart str...

>> the problem is, karen, they wouldn't be doing it if they didn't think they were appealing to somebody. i mean, you don't spend a million dollars on advertising unless you think you're going to get some return. >> but remember from the very beginning this has been a base election. president obama needs his base to come out if he's going to win. mitt romney needs his base to come out if he's going to win. and so the fact that he -- that they are still going this route spells trouble for governor romney. >> there aren't enough white men in this country to elect a president. i'm sorry, fellas. ...