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Presidential veto. and i think the heat's starting to turn up on republican senators in places that trump is very popular to be very careful on how they -- how they vote and how had he handle this issue. it is a base issue. i will agree with that. it is a complete base issue, but i think, joy, the politics are probably pretty good for the president on this issue especially if it stays an issue for months and months and months. that's how i see it. >> but at the same time, it's also a constitutional issue, right? what essentially the base of the republican party is demanding that senators reduc...

The president's wall issue is a base issue on the right. they're going to have to make a case of who bears more of the blame for shippiutting the government down. but i i do think democrats get more than they had before after several weeks, especially with the issue of knowing the democrats have supported a wall in the past or border fencing in the past. it's all about how it gets defined. how failure gets defined. >> it is also interesting, kirsten, as we're watching this, you are seeing democrats around the country react in different ways. and the california governor gavin newsom is pulling ...

>> has the blame shifted? three weeks ago the feeling was generally that the president owned it letter said that to chuck schumer and nancy pelosi. it seemed as though americans were bramilaming him. and then he capitulate and gave them three more weeks to come up with some sort of funding. this time around has the calculus changed and will democrats be to blame? >> i think a bit. i don't know that it fundamentally will. i think the president will still bear the brunt of blame. especially when the president -- you can tell a lot when the president goes down to the border and does some big over...

Polls, what you find the largest majority in any poll that you see today is the majority that says they have not been affected by the shutdown. steve: 82% according to the abc poll. one more poll for you, charlie. a latino approval rating with president trump apparently has gone up 19 points since the shutdown. and the president is now at 50% approval with latino voters. what's going on with that? >> that's why this is an issue. when you step back and look at the big picture. this is an issue that is very good for president trump. it's not a base issue as everybody keeps talking about. even am...

None of the congress people representing those eight districts voted for this, including the lone republican, and texas. they say that the wall is an inefficient waste. i am fascinated by what they said, getting him to move on to suburban voters and health care. but on the immigration, what you see is tremendous support for the president on this issue. i don't think that it is a base issue. it may be a media issue with and culture and the like. it >> juan and the democrats didn't have a problem when present obama did appear now all of a sudden, you have the president trying to move what he has...