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Also to make sure that she has the opportunity to keep doing what she needs to do. there may be some fair criticism, but i think there also can be all kinds of attacks that we need to call them out for what they are. >> when they attack you, the big ask is to give them the server. any chance she's going to turn over the hardware? >> i know her lawyer is having that conversation. i don't know where it stands but i know they're having that conversation. again, she said i want the 55,000 e-mails released i want to come and testify. i'll come let's do it in public. they said let's do it in private...

But there's the practical reality you can't unilaterally disarm. >> that's the problem. leaders have to go first. nobody wants to disarm unilaterally. what kind of change are we really going to get? another issue, people look at what she's doing with this strategy and say this is her trying to control the game. she wants to stay away from the media, saying she's keeping it small, but really keeping her away from us. that issue highlights the e-ma it's a tired subject, but you got the report that comes out that says hillary got a letter in office in 2012 from darryll issa that said tell us if y...

Somebody's going to have to be for other people at some point to be effective. >> that's what the campaign is anticipating. maybe the delivery was casual, but highly rehearsed. i think floating the idea is a big deal. >> it was very choreographed even though it played well i think she was probably at her most powerful talking about her parents, root this midwest homespun wisdom she's grown up with. i don't know that i've seen hillary speak that authentically about herself. >> i want to pivot to chris christie. still not announced, new hampshire he's heading to today. i'm curious what you think...

>> right. >> two we have to have a constitutional amendment to get money out of the game. at the same time the price tag is $2.5 billion they believe your campaign is going to try to raise. how can that be taken as a serious situation? i want a constitutional amendment when you are anything -- going to raise more money than anybody, hypocrisy? >> the $2.a billion i'm not sure where that came from. i think that includes people counting outside money. that's not a number that came from the campaign. but i take your point. but i think the point is you can't unilaterally disarm but that doesn't me...