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The jordanians, the egyptians and others in the region not just to counter isis but to bring some sort of balance to all that's going on now including a safe haven within the borders of syria, near the border with turkey, from which an alternative to assad could organize in safety, a place where refugees could also go and ultimately a place where there would be anti-isis fighting force on the ground but albeit it's gotten harder now that there are russian come bat missions being flown in the region. >> news that jason- >> -- i don't agree with the swap. i agree it's a heart breaking situation....

With the turks, the saudis, the jordanians, the egyptians and others in the region not just to counter isis but to bring some sort of balance to all that's going on now including a safe haven within the borders of syria, near the border with turkey, from which an alternative to assad could organize in safety, a place where refugees could also go and ultimately a place where there would be anti-isis fighting force on the ground but albeit it's gotten harder now that there are russian come bat missions being flown in the region. >> news that jason- >> -- i don't agree with the swap. i agree it's...

Claustrophobia. >> if you can imagine barely being able to move, your head two inches from the top of the can pi, you are like in a coffin. enough for a guy with claustrophobia to feel panicky. for every mission i flew, i had to deal with a panic attack. >> it could be devastating. >> when you are strapped into a jet, you can't pause, get out and deal with it. on cam bat missions, there was no abort option for me. >> he says it was planning, family and faith that helped him overcome his fears. >> i would simulate it and say i may have a panic attack here. how am i going to deal with it. i woul...