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Luther king jr. taking a knee between colin kaepernick and michael bennett. the cartoonist is the artist behind that cover and he's with us now. so your illustration i understand, mark, thank you for being here, is called "in creative battle." what do you hope to take away from this? >> i guess it will continue the dialogue about dr. king's legacy and the steps that colin kaepernick and nfl players are taking to try to address the fact that equality is still not within reach yet. >> you know, mark, i was having a conversation with some friends a couple days ago about -- one is a teacher. they ...

Battle intentionalized? >> yeah. and, you know, martin luther king is a real person as opposed to the other people you just mentioned. >> well, you said i think in the interview that we had earlier that you asked yourself what would king be doing if he were around today? what answer did you find of yourself there? >> well, this image. i thought that if king were still around, he, of course, would be continuing the fight for equality. and when i was trying to think of an image for the cover, in my mind's eye i saw king in prayer. and then when i saw him in prayer, i saw him on a knee. then it l...