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The trenches, whether it's democratic hill staffers or republican hill staffers. it's chaos for those fighting. the bill was hard. they felt like there was a lot of distraction. the president's allies and the president's opponents find the chaos maddening in different ways. do you feel that the chaos ends up making -- seriously. do you feel that the chaos has made it harder to mobilize the opposition to the president's agenda? >> it's worth noting as a side note that chaos is an authoritarian ruling strategy. all of us need to keep our eyes on the traditional politics around trying to defeat a...

That i report on who are working in the trenches, whether it's democratic hill staffers or republican hill staffers with to be chaos for those fighting the bill was hard. they felt like there was a lot of distraction. both the president's allies and the president's opponents find the chaos maddening in different ways. do you feel that the chaos ends up making -- seriously. do you feel that the chaos has made it harder to mobilize the president's agenda? >> that's a great question. it's worth noting as a side note that chaos is an authoritarian ruling strategy. all of us need to keep our eyes o...

Is the president-elect's plan to separate his business the type of thing you would like to see as the subject of a hearing from the oversight committee. >> of course. the oversight committee should have a hearing about the war on ethics. first, the house republicans made a sneak attack over the weekend. a holiday weekend. no notice to destroy their own ethics watchdog. the office of congressional ethics. that was beat back by a furious public outcry. led by donald trump. >> i heard the switch boards were flooded, john. then in the senate they tried to run through four nominees with notice ethi...

Defeated. they succeeded beat back or legislatively upheld the ledge slays on four states. we've had the supreme court thing. it is just, a remarkable, in the last, just in the less than a year, just the movement of culture, the political class on this. and then all of a sudden we have the first team sports athlete. it is significant, it's the team sports, one of the four major sports, it's stunning. >> let me just -- just posit this, though. it is decades since billie jean king and mart tina navratilova. >> individual sports. >> lesbians are different from gay men because i'm not sure if i ca...

emerges, or was there prior to that departure, you would have a different piece. but there's quite a -- that's an important point just to be clear about. >> my final question is it seems to me on the face of it that the news of the world was sacrificed in order to try to protect rebekah brooks' position at news international. in effect, rather than her being -- having her departure being announced, "the news of the world" was offered up as an alternative to try to deal with the whole thing. do you regret now making that decision? do you regret closing "the news of the world" to try a...