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That. he said he was a social studies teacher at a jesuit high school. >> by the way, i don't have -- in college they like to argue. let me ask you about this whole question. i went out to the gingrich event last night before i got the interview with him late last night. you can't pick your audience. the first person up wanted to talk about m.i.a./p.o.w.s, and the woman said, don't give me that, i'm going to look it up and look into it. the next person said, everybody here going's to be dead in ten years, let's talk about the younger crowd. they want real answers. you can't give them that quic...

He's accusing him of being, in fact, he went after w. to get him. so he nailed w. and his entire republican campaign in '04 to trash romney. >> you know, i am always a little bit hesitant, you know, when we do political analysis to talk about, well, it's personal, so-and-so doesn't like -- i mean, those things exist, but usually there's a greater strategic aim. that they're trying to accomplish. there's something else going on. man, everything newt gingrich is doing right now seems -- seems very personal. >> going after romney. >> seems very personal. and you know, he went from, i think, belie...

And dividing that part of the electorate, the anti-mitt romney electorate? >> how are you going to do this? you have to moderate this. he's going to fight a two-front war. >> he is, but newt gingrich is saying that rick santorum is the junior partner. so he's supposed to be the senior partner, right? someone's got to slow romney down. if romney is the real front-runner, he's got to demonstrate that he can win big, but he can do it in this state, potentially. that's the expectation. >> who's in the debate on sunday, which of the players? >> everybody. >> perry's out or in? >> he's in. >> he's a...

They're ahead. more of the interview with gingrich. here he is, let's listen to his somewhat optimistic view of things. let's listen to newt. jimmy carter's another one where he ran against four liberals back in 1976 and won the nomination, but was never really the hero of the party. same thing. and romney, look, he's running against a number of conservatives, yourself, santorum, rick perry, different kind of conservatives. he's splitting the conservative vote. 75% of your party and all the polling says they want a conservative, not mitt romney. but you're dividing that up the same way the lib...

It. he said, santorum doesn't get a piece of that. he's only my junior partner. >> he didn't quite say that. he said santorum wasn't important in passing health care reform. it's true. he was a freshman senator and newt gingrich was the speaker of the house. i don't think anyone would say that just the fact that santorum was in the senate makes him senior to gingrich. it's a fair comment, also a little bit of a ding, a little bit of a shot, but it's based in reality. he gave santorum a little bit of credit. but the other day, gingrich was saying quite openly that he was ready to make common ca...