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Candidate of trashing another person. he said he's swift voting, basically him. he's accusing him of being, in fact, he went after w. to get him. so he nailed w. and his entire republican campaign in '04 to trash romney. >> you know, i am always a little bit hesitant, you know, when we do political analysis to talk about, well, it's personal, so-and-so doesn't like -- i mean, those things exist, but usually there's a greater strategic aim. man, everything newt gingrich is doing right now seems -- >> going after romney. >> seems very personal. and you know, he went from, i think, believing at t...

Benefit. >> what's interesting is to watch the mathematics. anybody can watch at how this is developing. looking down at south carolina, you can see romney pick up speed, in the high 30s now. but even in the high 30s, there's three guys, santorum, gingrich, and perry, whose total vote is way over the other guys. there's still all of that wealth of conservative votes. and i guess the question is, at what point is that magic moment in this fight where the conservatives say, we're losing this because we're divided? >> i think that point comes after new hampshire. i think this field is set for tue...

His arms and get behind santorum in south carolina, because the two of them together right now are even with romney, their vote shares in south carolina. >> and if you through in perry, they're ahead. more of the interview with gingrich. here he is, let's listen to his somewhat optimistic view of things. let's listen to newt. jimmy carter's another one where he ran against four liberals back in 1976 and won the nomination, but was never really the hero of the party. same thing. and romney, look, he's running against a number of conservatives, yourself, santorum, rick perry, different kind of c...

Dislike him in any way. i don't think there's any personal problem. you call him now your junior partner. okay, well, that's a knock. you have to hit him a little. >> i was speaker -- >> how are you going to be the alternative to romney unless you check him out of the fight wm. >> i think it will happen by attrition? i think people are going to look and make a judgment over the next few months. maybe i won't be the judgment. my hunch sis i will be. we have a national campaign, we're organized to compete in a lot more places. i wasn't right to knock rick, he's a good guy. i was the speaker of t...

Person. he said he's swift voting, basically him. he's accusing him of being, in fact, he went after w. to get him. so he nailed w. and his entire republican campaign in '04 to trash romney. >> you know, i am always a little bit hesitant, you know, when we do political analysis to talk about, well, it's personal, so-and-so doesn't like -- i mean, those things exist, but usually there's a greater strategic aim. man, everything newt gingrich is doing right now seems -- >> going after romney. >> seems very personal. and you know, he went from, i think, believing at the beginning of december, he s...