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About right to you in terms of complexity. second of all, what you were describing was super compelling about how classified the documents are. there's 31 documents that are described we get a brief description and an account from the government as to what level of classification they are. and you rightfully point out this is highly classified stuff. including some of the stuff that's so highly classified, we're not allowed to know what level of classification it's at. we're not even allowed to know what mark rgs on it. how do they deal with that in front of a jury? the jury doesn't have secur...

Think makes this tangible. the two most compelling pieces that differentuate this case and the investigation against the vice president pence and pooud, one is the volume and sensitivity of the documents. the other is the obstruction. you did not have -- there's no chance, there's no evidence that you had vice president pences or president biden making a pluck it out motion or talking about in any way, shape or form they shouldn't do anything other than hurry up and give those documents back to the fbi. then open up their storage room and say you search it. you figure it out. then that leads t...

Did they have other choices? or given the facts laid out,s was that the obvious and only statute under which to bring these charges? >> i wrote erg down. we'll hit them all. 21 days, yes, i think we're talking weeks. certainly not days. we still don't know what the former president's defense would be. but it's acknowledge the this is going to be a lengthy trial. two points yobd the length of the trial. a key question because we're bumping up against an election, how long is it going to take to bring this case to trial? there are an incredible number of complex issues here, including involving ...

Knowing what he was doing and how wrong it was. knowing that it's not only against the law, but against the law in a way that he enhanced the penalties for when he was president. >> chris hayes has joined us. >> not only that. if i'm not mistake, the obama administration set a record in espionage act prosecutions. so it wasn't just rhetoric. it was policy of the department of justice under donald trump to more aggressively pursue cases precisely like this as a kind of follow-through on the campaign rhetoric. i wanted to ask a question here. maybe i missed this. so when all this goes out, there...