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Talking about how a return to normal isn't enough, isn't sufficient, isn't what democrats should be pursuing. it seems that it seems to be taking aim at a gentle way at the real rationale for biden's candidacy. that seems to be resonating. when you talk to the folks showing up at pete buttigieg events like this, they are animated by the fact he is a youngsh fresh voice, seems to have a future-oriented approach. >> very interesting. josh letterman, thank you guys all for a great conversation. coming up tonight, chris matthews is in fresno, california, in a live town hall. will the mayor's sta...