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Him as competent. i think some of the flip flop stuff and moderate stuff may be actually helping him in a general election that he's not perceived as being too ideological. i do think that you're going to see a billion dollars worth of tv ads spent by barack obama casting him as gordon geko, as this creature of wall street. that will be the attack, make no mistake about it. at the end of the day i think it will be very close. my question is not a national race but if you look at the states, can barack obama win north carolina again, win indiana again? these states that are very important that ...

Looking at this as who would be my candidate, i'm looking at this awesome organization that barack obama demonstrated in '08 and i'm looking at people that can't make the ballot, that don't read the newsletter. i'm thinking i'm going to compete with this? >> right. >> so forget getting into the federal government. how did they compete with president obama? and i don't know if it's about coming home to romney. it might be coming to romney. i don't know of a lot who feel that's home. >> so that's the question for you as a conservative. how does that play out? i mean, a lot of conservatives don't...

I had a heavily democratic legislature and i got things done. >> and he flip flopped on every major issue and he got a lot of people laid off when bain was moving from job to job. >> i'm not arguing for him. all i'm saying is that is the proposition he will put forward. i'm the guy who can make it work. i'm the guy who can bring this together. >> but on tuesday i might disagree with what i said on monday. >> there is that kind of do you want to hang out with mitt romney for the next four years, america, as a guy that you can really stand having on tv every night. that is a very large -- >> mit...

Dodd/frank had something to do with that. when we talk about things that have changed in the last couple years dodd/frank has a big impact on the way wall street does business. what they will complain about is regulation and dodd/frank and the inability to make as much money as they used to make. you don't hear them saying these guys are crazy. get them out of the way. so there is some sensitivity to it. whether that indicates a kind of change of behavior, you know, we'll have to see. >> what next for occupy? >> you know, it's going to be cold out there for quite sometime to come. i'm not expe...

Enthusiasm. >> reverend sharpton is right. sometimes hate or fear is the greatest motivator to get people to the polls. that's where mitt romney is strong. he doesn't have the same fear factor among democrats as some of the wacko conservatives have. i mean, a lot of democrats say, well, boy, he's pretty bland or this or that but they don't think he is going to come in and -- >> but you have two candidates, neither one of whom is going to get their marginal people coming out to vote. this is going to be a low turnout election. >> don't you think that the republican base comes out because of ant...