enthusiasm. >> reverend sharpton is right. sometimes hate or fear is the greatest motivator to get people to the polls. that's where mitt romney is strong. he doesn't have the same fear factor among democrats as some of the wacko conservatives have. i mean, a lot of democrats say, well, boy, he's pretty bland or this or that but they don't think he is going to come in and -- >> but you have two candidates, neither one of whom is going to get their marginal people coming out to vote. this is going to be a low turnout election. >> don't you think that the republican base comes out because of anti-obama antipathy? >> yeah. but not your new people who have been drawn in say to the tea party because they're excited about all the stuff with the tea party. >> don't forget the possibility especially if mitt romney is the nominee of a third party. someone like gary johnson who is going to probably run as a libertarian. if ron paul and i don't think he is going to do it but if ron paul were to run as a third party that alone could guarantee barack obama's re-election. it could be like ross perot all over again. >> which is why he probably