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Anticipate all of those challenges but not just worry about them, work against them. >> joining our discussion now, two veterans of presidential campaigns, ben roads, former national security adviser to president obama, an msnbc political analyst. and a senior adviser to president obama and hillary clinton, ceo of the center for american progress. what those hackers were doing in las vegas was pretty scary. >> it was, lawrence, because what we saw in 2016 was an effort to influence in effect the american election on behalf of donald trump by essentially firing into social media, by trying to a...

Weakened his position on that. >> ben roads from the obama administration said iran was complying with the deal until the u.s. pulled out and started violating its terms. something notably absent from the trump-bolten framing. what's your reaction to that, christian? >> you know, there's broad framing, okay, there's very broad recognition in the u.s. than it used to be. bipartisan support and concern for what iran is doing. iran sees itself as being at war with the united states since this regime was inaugurated in 1979 taking americans hostage. this is something that we're going to have to de...

Breakout, north korea, our ability to time when a country is going to gain a nuclear capability is limited. we spend more than $50 billion in intelligence, but it's hard to detect specifically which is why i think we need to act sooner rather than later. probably with military force. it doesn't need to be a regional war, it could be similar in the middle east from the past, we have degraded or israel degrades the other countries. >> your thoughts on that criticism of ben rhodes? >> i don't take much of what he says seriously. he brags about lying to the press, creating an echo chamber. he's bi...

She -- also president obama ben roads during the house select committee on benghazi. ben roads during all of that, she represented him and then she represented the clinton foundation in 2015. so she worked for hillary clinton, secretary of state. i mean this is not someone who should be in this special counsel's investigation, she also gave 5400 bucks, too. >> i have no idea why mueller picked anyone. >> laura: connected with hillary in the email investigation, and clearly. >> a knowing clinton supporter. it's totally nuts. if the shoe was on the other foot, the mainstream media would be going...

It was fabricated. and it's a disgrace. and i think it's going to really show you something come november 6th. >> i want to bring in ben roads, former deputy of national securitiedy adviser to presiden obama. good to have you. >> good to be with you. >> let's start with your reaction to president trump there on the lawn. >> well, i think it just shows you how dishonest their initial comments were after dr. ford came forward. when they were bending backwards to say they wanted to hear from her. now you have people like senator collins saying well, she was sexually assaulted but it doesn't by ka...