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An indictment that has the word collusion somewhere in it. >> no. not necessarily. and again, mueller's -- his mandate is very broad. >> right. >> whatever hi comes over in the course of the investigation, that's remotely related to russia or anything that might have had -- russian funding, et cetera, mueller will have to investigate and could use it as leverage to get people like manafort or michael flynn to flip or tell him what happened in the 2016 election because they had a direct window into all of the question that is mueller now wants the answer. >> absolutely. ron, ben widdyes benefit...

Cetera, mueller will have to investigate and could use it as leverage to get people like manafort or michael flynn to flip or tell him what happened in the 2016 election because they had a direct window into all of the question that is mueller now wants the answer. >> absolutely. ron, ben widdyes benefit for ticks and booms things and sean hannity tried to steal it but didn't do it well. this is a big boom if true and the story is skeleton in content and sources and another note here that just noting the sourcing on the cnn story and sources briefed on the matter. he says i can't think of very...