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An indictment that has the word collusion somewhere in it. >> no. not necessarily. and again, mueller's -- his mandate is very broad. >> right. >> whatever hi comes over in the course of the investigation, that's remotely related to russia or anything that might have had -- russian funding, et cetera, mueller will have to investigate and could use it as leverage to get people like manafort or michael flynn to flip or tell him what happened in the 2016 election because they had a direct window into all of the question that is mueller now wants the answer. >> absolutely. ron, ben widdyes benefit...

The house intelligence committee looks like a circus, i reported last week they barely have enough staff to do anything they say what they're doing and who knows what's happening. and indictments will concentrate the mind. >> yeah. absolutely. natasha, i think david makes an important minority here. for a lot of people watching this, russ-gate or collusion story, the collusion is sort of a sexy thing people talk about and the actual components of this investigation have involved a lot more sort of straightforward criminal activity, things like foreign agent registration act violations, things ...