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That doesn't look like you're taken money or health care away from poor people and giving rich people a tax break. they emitted -- the proposal is to eliminate many so of the tax breaks on the wealth. but fundamentally when people talk about obamacare in a death spiral which it isn't, the issue here is that more people benefitted from the medicaid expansion under obamacare than the exchanges we keep talking about. >> right, exactly. and by the way, this bill -- this version actually does cause a death spiral, because by allowing for insurance plans to sell plan that is don't have like a standa...

Mean and heartless. this is the same thing. it's the same bill. it will do exactly what the house bill did, increase cost for fewer benefits, an age tax, people 50 or 64 may be paying five times more. undermine medicare reducing the years of solvency and tens of millions of people will see what the cbo comes down with. millions and millions and millions of people will lose their health care. in addition to that, it takes away the essential benefit package. leave it up to the state. it does serious harm to the states, which throws a few crumbs in in terms of medicaid and clobbers the states, ma...

Heartless. mean and heartless. and this is the same thing, same bill all over again, will do exactly what the house bill did. increase cost for fewer benefits and it will have an age tax, people 50 to 64 may be paying as much as five times more for their benefits. undermine medicare by reducing years of its solvency and tens of millions of people -- we'll see what the cbo comes down with, but millions of people will lose health care. in addition to that, it's still takes away essential benefit package -- i call it pontious pontiouspileaves it up to the states and clubbers the states making the...

Increasing premium. >> income is relevant. the more money you make, the better off you will be with this bill. i'm not saying that it is right or wrong. as a doctor, the less money you have, the less chance you will save money with this bill. does that sound right to you in terms of your oath as a doctor to give care to the needy? >> look, the problems that exist in our health care system are never and will never been fixed by a single bill. that was one of the false premises of obamacare. it would fix everything. we had nothing to change after it passed. >> this is supposed to be the fix. con...

3-13-1 3-11 -- 3-1. >> you got a national audience. what about everything else? >> we're leaving it up to the states to decide what number works for them. the fact of the matter is an older person is more expensive to an insurance company. the insurance companies have been leaving because they do have to pay their bills. so we're leaving it up to the states. we're putting in refundable tax credits at a higher dollar level for yourself, a much higher dollar amount than there is for a younger person to level that playing field and we're still tweaking that even as we speak now. the final plan is...